RE: [sv-bc] RE: [sv-ec] Fw: Clarification of Entity-based participating/voting rules.

Karen,

Due to the upcoming BC and EC meetings, I would like some clarification
on the "attendance" question that was raised.

Was this "attendance" question ever answered?

I have gone back through my email and couldn't find one, though from
reading and re-reading the original announcement and the new IEEE
membership structure information, I believe the answer is non-members
can attend one meeting as an observer and that is all.
Also, it appears that if you get a Basic Membership, that allows you
to observe, but not really participate (cannot vote, make motions,
contribute technically, or speak on motions).

Is the above correct?

If those of us who are not IEEE members are going to be barred from
participating, the overall standard will be impacted.
We are already willing to donate thousands of dollars in engineering
time to make the standard better, why should we have to pay for that
privilege.

Thanks,
-- Heath

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sv-bc@eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-bc@eda.org] On
> Behalf Of Geoffrey.Coram
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:48 AM
> To: Bresticker, Shalom
> Cc: Karen Pieper; IEEE 1800; SV-BC eda.org; sv-ec; SV-CC;
> SV-AC eda.org
> Subject: Re: [sv-bc] RE: [sv-ec] Fw: Clarification of
> Entity-based participating/voting rules.
>
> Karen -
> Is even *attendance* limited to members? I thought that
> previously, non-members
> could join the calls and speak, but not vote.
>
> I spent a lot of (company-paid) time developing the compact
> modeling extensions
> to Verilog-AMS for "the good of the industry"; my company is
> not interested in
> paying $000s so that I can have the privilege of contributing my time.
>
> -Geoffrey
>
>
>
> Bresticker, Shalom wrote:
> > I can see why people were riled up about this. What
> happened to IEEE's
> > famous "openness"?
> > We did not have as much participation as we would have
> liked even last time.
> > Now we will have much less...
> >
> > Shalom
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> > *From:* owner-sv-ec@eda.org
> [mailto:owner-sv-ec@eda.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *Karen Pieper
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:19 AM
> > *To:* IEEE 1800; SV-BC eda.org; sv-ec; SV-CC; SV-AC eda.org
> > *Subject:* [sv-ec] Fw: Clarification of Entity-based
> > participating/voting rules.
> >
> > Hi, all,
> >
> > The following email from the Chair of the DASC, our sponsor,
> > indicates that once the WG and sv-* groups start functioning, we
> > will need to limit attendance, and voting rights and
> privileges, to
> > employees/representatives of SA member entities.
> Please encourage
> > your entities to become members.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> > *From*: owner-stds-dasc@eda.org <owner-stds-dasc@eda.org>
> > *To*: stds-dasc@eda.org <stds-dasc@eda.org>
> > *Sent*: Tue Mar 02 13:32:24 2010
> > *Subject*: Clarification of Entity-based
> participating/voting riles.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > As most of you now may know, the IEEE Standards
> Association (SA) has
> > established a new two-tiered membership structure. This new
> > structure is outlined here:
> > http://standards.ieee.org/sa-mem/corp_overview.html.
> The upshot of
> > this new policy is that for all Entity-based IEEE WGs
> (including, of
> > course, all DASC Entity-based WGs) only representations
> of Advanced
> > SA member Entities may make motions, vote and so forth.
> > Representatives from Entities with Basic SA membership may only
> > attend meetings as an observer, but there is no limit
> to the numbers
> > of meetings at which they may hold such an observer status.
> > Representatives of non-SA member Entities may only
> attend a single
> > meeting of a WG as an observer.
> >
> >
> >
> > There was some question whether these rules applied to only the
> > "highest level" of a particular WG. Could, for example, a
> > particular Entity-based WG establish a task force that
> had looser
> > attendance/voting rules? The answer from the IEEE is 'no'.
> > Specifically, I was told wrt Entity-based (Aka
> "Corporate-based")
> > WGs: "Corporate membership rules apply to all WG activities and
> > that includes any subcommittees, task forces, etc.
> formed by the WG."
> >
> >
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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