Subject: RE: HDL+ June 2002 Minutes - Modified
From: Stuart Sutherland (stuart@sutherland-hdl.com)
Date: Wed Jun 19 2002 - 23:02:18 PDT
ATTENTION: MOTION FOR VOTE FOLLOWS!
Vassilios,
Your statement that we, the HDL+ committee, decided to dissolve the
Verilog++ committee during the 5 June 2002 HDL+ committee meeting is not
correct. I was present, in person, for the entire 8 hour HDL+ meeting. At
no time did I hear any discussion of dissolving the Verilog++
committee. This observation is collaborated in the minutes, which contain
no record of such a discussion. The discussion was to create subcommittees
within the Verilog++ committee, in order to more quickly review and develop
road maps on what should go into SystemVerilog 3.1.
I did not, do not, and will not vote in favor of, or endorse in any way,
any motion to break the overall definition for SystemVerilog 3.1 into
multiple, disparate committees. It only makes sense to me to keep the
definition of SystemVerilog under a single committee--the Verilog++
committee that defined it to begin with. Subcommittees under that single
parent make sense. Disparate committees with no parent would be a mistake.
The error in the minutes on page 3 still stands. There is no
"SystemVerilog Enhancement Committee". Therefore, as the minutes are
currently worded, no subcommittees have been formed.
Accellera's committee rules require that all minutes be voted on and
approved by the committee for which the minutes apply. Before these
minutes can be approved, any errors noted must be corrected.
AS AN HDL+ COMMITTEE MEMBER AND AN IEEE 1364 REPRESENTATIVE, I MOVE FOR AN
E-MAIL VOTE FROM ALL ELLIGIBLE HDL+ COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO CORRECT THE
MINUTES OF THE 5 JUNE 2002 HDL+ MEETING AS FOLLOWS:
CHANGE THE MINUTES ON BOTTOM OF PAGE 3 FROM:
"Motion: Approve creation of the sub-committees for SystemVerilog
Enhancement Committee..."
TO:
"Motion: Approve creation of the sub-committees for the Verilog++ Committee..."
IS THERE A SECOND?
In addition, there is another error in the minutes. The final result for
the vote on page two on limiting SystemVerilog 3.1 to just basic cleanup
issues does not match the votes recorded. The minutes currently read:
"Proposal: Should SystemVerilog be limited to the Basic bucket list only?
Vote: No – Verplex, Alec (IEEE), Stu (IEEE), Synopsys, Novas, Cadence, Mentor
Yes – Cliff (IEEE), Verisity, Co-Design
Abstain – Real Intent
Motion approved"
The tally, as I count it, is 7 No, 3 Yes, and 1 abstain, yet the minutes
say the motion is approved. Are the "No" and "Yes" categories mislabeled,
or is the recorded result of the motion incorrect? I will leave it to
someone else to propose the correction to this error in the minutes.
The minutes also contain references to several documents as being part of
the minutes, yet those documents are not attached. These references are:
page 1: "HDL+ Agenda (See published agenda)"
page 1: "Introduction (See attached slides from Vassilios)"
page 2: "SystemVerilog Committee Issues (See Vassilios’ slides. Changes to
the issues were updated live on his slides."
page 2: "Synopsys Proposal (See Janant’s slides)"
The omission of these documents is another error that must be corrected
before the minutes can be approved.
Stuart Sutherland
At 09:18 PM 6/19/2002, Vassilios.Gerousis@infineon.com wrote:
>Hi Stuart,
> Verilog++ as of the meeting we had on June 5 does not exist. This
> is the decision
>that was taken in the meeting. This is not a mistake that need to be
>corrected.
>
>Vassilios
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Sutherland [mailto:stuart@sutherland-hdl.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:17 PM
>To: vlog-pp@eda.org; assertion@eda.org
>Subject: Re: HDL+ June 2002 Minutes - Modified
>
>
>All,
>
>There is an error in the minutes for the 5 June 2002 Verilog++ face-to-face
>meeting. This error will need to be corrected before the minutes are voted
>on and approved (Accellera's official rules require that minutes be
>approved by majority vote).
>
>The top of page three outlines the creation of three subcommittees:
>"issues", "C/C++ and interfaces", and "other enhancements". At the bottom
>of page three is the vote to actually create these subcommittees. The
>wording in the minutes for the vote state that the subcommittees are to be
>formed as "...sub-committees for SystemVerilog Enhancement Committee...".
>
>The current wording in the minutes would for subcommittees of a committee
>that does not exist. That would void the entire vote to form
>subcommittees. The wording needs to be changed to "...subcommittees of the
>Verilog++ committee...".
>
>Vassilios, please send out corrected minutes before the vote to approve the
>minutes.
>
>Stu
>
>
>At 10:48 PM 6/17/2002, Vassilios.Gerousis@Infineon.Com wrote:
> >Hi Everyone,
> > I have attached a PDF document of the minutes. I have added
> >Stuart Sutherland Sorted list to the minutes.
> >
> >Best Regards
> >
> >Vassilios
> >
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Stuart Sutherland Sutherland HDL Inc.
stuart@sutherland-hdl.com 22805 SW 92nd Place
phone: 503-692-0898 Tualatin, OR 97062
www.sutherland-hdl.com
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