Subject: RE: Moving Ahead on SystemVerilog 3.1 Despite Politics
From: Dave Kelf (davek@co-design.com)
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 08:05:23 PDT
Hi Vassilios,
I was quite surprised to find out that this meeting is taking place as I
have no advance notice of it.
My understanding is that
1. Co-Chairs as well as chairs should attend these meetings, after all the
role of the co-chairs is to provide a second opinion on these kinds of
matters, and to act as an alternative chair.
2. The Verilog++ committee is still valid, or at least there is confusion
on this point, and as I was elected by the committee as a co-chair.
Therefore, can you please send the call in number for this meeting, and
information on when it is to be held. I am not sure why such an important
meeting is being kept so secret. Also, may I suggest that this important
topic be open to discussion at the board level, and that the board should
also have access to this number.
Thanks
Dave
At 03:28 PM 6/20/2002 +0200, Vassilios.Gerousis@Infineon.Com wrote:
>Only chairs are allowed to this. If you want to change this, then I
>suggest that make a motion to the Accellera board to allow you to attend.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Simon Davidmann [mailto:simond@co-design.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:09 PM
>To: vlog-pp@eda.org; assertion@eda.org
>Cc: accellera_bod@accellera.org
>Subject: Fwd: Moving Ahead on SystemVerilog 3.1 Despite Politics
>Importance: High
>
>
>Vassilios - you need to start being a little more honest in your politics.
>
>Nobody has started any negative campaigns apart from you personally to me
>- which I would respectfully suggest you stop.
>
>Everybody, as far I can tell is intent on moving Verilog forwards - we all
>just have differences of opinions as to its direction and process - and
>surely as a technical leader you should be exploring peoples views and not
>trying to shut them up. The Accellera Board that provides you with your
>position as Technical Chair expects you to do this.
>
>Regarding your discussion with the chairs today - I hope you are following
>Accellera policy of giving appropriate people fair notice of meetings and
>ensuring they can attend. We must ensure that all policies and guidelines
>are followed.
>
>Also I think it would be appropriate for the Accellera Board Members to be
>invited to such a meeting as it sets the direction of Accellera - which
>ultimately is the Boards prerogative.
>
>Please let me know when the meeting is to be held/phone numbers etc.
>
>Thanks Vassilios.
>
>And for your information - the proposal you submitted to the Accellera
>Board to form the Verilog++ committee dated feb 28, 2001 clearly shows the
>Verilog++ as the main committee - which has now become called HDL+ - and
>so Verilog++ and HDL+ are one and the same committee - with Dave Kelf as
>co-chair - in fact it is the SystemVerilog committee that is below the
>Verilog++ committee - as the Verilog++ committee includes the OVL.
>
>Also - your foils are technically wrong - you have no authority to
>re-write a committees charter - the rules state that it is voted on by the
>members of the committee
>1) the HDL+ committee's goals are 'Verilog++ is focused on extending
>VerilogHDL to higher domains of abstraction. It will include a subcomittee
>to extend both Verilog language and VHDL with assertions.
>5) donation policy is not set by Technical Chair and Accellera Chairman -
>please re-read the Accellera rules - there are very comprehensive rules
>and your simple bullet is completely wrong. A committee must request a
>donation before any Accellera board member is authorized to accept one. No
>committee minutes have stated that any committee has requested a donation
>in the SystemVerilog space. I would suggest you do not violate Accellera rules.
>6) as the enhancement committee has not met, it can not have set any
>requirements let alone have requested any donations - thus this is clearly
>incorrect statements
>
>we already have committees that look into C/C++ APIs - the Accellera ITC
>committee - they should investigate if any C/C++ API donations are needed
>we already have a formal committee - and they should investigate if we
>want a Vera donation into Accellera.
> - if you do not do this - then you are instigating a full blown
> assertions war - and the Accellera Board will not endorse this
>
>we must stick to the Accellera Rules Vassilios - you must ensure that we
>all do - nobody should be violating the rules - it is your responsibility
>as Accellera Board appointed Technical Chair - that you personally ensure
>that people do not violate Accellera's committee rules.
>
>8) on donation - this does not comply at all with the current Accellera
>Board approved rules - if you follow this - you will be breaking the rules.
>9) voting rules - designates are allowed.
>
>11) it is not you personally that sets the goals - as the rules state -
>each committee sets it own goals
> it is the committees that can look in to donations and look at other
> ones if they so wish. - as happened in the Formal committee.
>
>14) formal - there is nothing wrong with multiple languages - the formal
>committee has repeatedly said they do not want one language - they want
>one to be verilog flavor, one vhdl, etc etc - it is the formal committee
>that should make this call - that is what they have spent the last 3 years
>working on. It is not the TC that can just change direction here.
>
>15) - now this is better - put Vera into the formal committee and let them
>work with it. - this is what I think the 30 members of the formal group
>and 10 members of the Assertions committee would want.
>
>Vasilios - what is all this - George Orwell's 1984?? - you are rewriting
>history!!! -
>
>please stick to the Accellera's Board agreed rules and do not violate them.
>
>You are trying to make too many changes here to the rules and that
>requires a board meeting to do.
>
>Clearly the Accellera Members interests are not being served by what is
>currently going on.
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
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>From: Vassilios.Gerousis@infineon.com
>To: accellera_bod@accellera.org
>Subject: Moving Ahead on SystemVerilog 3.1 Despite Politics
>Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:21:40 +0200
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>I am still working despite continued and increasing politics (you know who).
>I am attaching a set of slides that will be discussed today with my
>chairs. Assigning
>members to these new subcommittees have started. We will establish
>milestones and
>targets.
>
>Since some people has started negative campaigns, I am showing positive
>signs to move forward. Every bad move by politics, I will show a positive
>attitude to continue. See my slides.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Vassilios
> <<HDL+Chairs-meeting.ppt>>
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